Design systems and gender with Lou Downe

How do design systems fit into wider social and political systems when it comes to gender, and the inclusion (or exclusion) of trans people? How do they perpetuate exclusion, and what can those of us working on design systems do to mitigate it?
I talk to Lou Downe, author of the best-selling book, Good Services, about their experience of trans-exclusion, and using service and systems design to advocate for equity.

Episode links
https://good.services/
Lou on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lou-downe-757a83b/