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    <title>Systems of Harm - Episodes Tagged with “Systems Of Harm”</title>
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    <description>Design systems are the systems of tools, processes and practices that we use to create digital products, like websites and applications. But can design systems play a role in perpetuating systemic harm? Can they do anything to mitigate it?
In this series, design systems consultant and podcast host Amy Hupe interviews guests about their experiences of design systems, systemic exclusion, and how we can work to design more inclusive experiences.
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    <itunes:subtitle>Design systems are the systems of tools, processes and practices that we use to create digital products, like websites and applications. But can design systems play a role in perpetuating systemic harm? Can they do anything to mitigate it?</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>Design systems are the systems of tools, processes and practices that we use to create digital products, like websites and applications. But can design systems play a role in perpetuating systemic harm? Can they do anything to mitigate it?
In this series, design systems consultant and podcast host Amy Hupe interviews guests about their experiences of design systems, systemic exclusion, and how we can work to design more inclusive experiences.
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    <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Design systems; Inclusive design, UX design, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, </itunes:keywords>
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      <itunes:name>Amy Hupe</itunes:name>
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  <title>Design Systems and burnout with Sara Wachter-Boettcher</title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2025 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
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  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>To round off the series, I’m speaking to coach, speaker and author of Technically Wrong and Design for Real Life, Sara Wachter-Boettcher. Sara and I talk about why those of us working on design systems are so vulnerable to burnout and what we can do to prevent it. We talk about the importance of living your values, advocating for what’s right, and - crucially - knowing when to quit.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>53:08</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>To round off the series, I’m speaking to coach, speaker and author of Technically Wrong and Design for Real Life, Sara Wachter-Boettcher. Sara and I talk about why those of us working on design systems are so vulnerable to burnout and what we can do to prevent it. We talk about the importance of living your values, advocating for what’s right, and - crucially - knowing when to quit.
Episode links
https://www.activevoicehq.com/ 
Sara on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saraboettcher/ 
Design for Real Life: https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-real-life.html 
Technically Wrong: https://bookshop.org/p/books/technically-wrong-sexist-apps-biased-algorithms-and-other-threats-of-toxic-tech-sara-wachter-boettcher/11186625?ean=9780393356045&amp;amp;next=t&amp;amp;source=IndieBound&amp;amp;ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sarawb.com%2F 
Content Everywhere: https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/content-everywhere/  
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  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Design systems, inclusion, accessibility, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, burnout</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>To round off the series, I’m speaking to coach, speaker and author of Technically Wrong and Design for Real Life, Sara Wachter-Boettcher. Sara and I talk about why those of us working on design systems are so vulnerable to burnout and what we can do to prevent it. We talk about the importance of living your values, advocating for what’s right, and - crucially - knowing when to quit.</p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://www.activevoicehq.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.activevoicehq.com/</a> <br>
Sara on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/saraboettcher/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/saraboettcher/</a> <br>
Design for Real Life: <a href="https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-real-life.html" rel="nofollow">https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-real-life.html</a> <br>
Technically Wrong: <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/technically-wrong-sexist-apps-biased-algorithms-and-other-threats-of-toxic-tech-sara-wachter-boettcher/11186625?ean=9780393356045&next=t&source=IndieBound&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sarawb.com%2F" rel="nofollow">https://bookshop.org/p/books/technically-wrong-sexist-apps-biased-algorithms-and-other-threats-of-toxic-tech-sara-wachter-boettcher/11186625?ean=9780393356045&amp;next=t&amp;source=IndieBound&amp;ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sarawb.com%2F</a> <br>
Content Everywhere: <a href="https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/content-everywhere/" rel="nofollow">https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/content-everywhere/</a> </p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>To round off the series, I’m speaking to coach, speaker and author of Technically Wrong and Design for Real Life, Sara Wachter-Boettcher. Sara and I talk about why those of us working on design systems are so vulnerable to burnout and what we can do to prevent it. We talk about the importance of living your values, advocating for what’s right, and - crucially - knowing when to quit.</p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://www.activevoicehq.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.activevoicehq.com/</a> <br>
Sara on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/saraboettcher/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/saraboettcher/</a> <br>
Design for Real Life: <a href="https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-real-life.html" rel="nofollow">https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-real-life.html</a> <br>
Technically Wrong: <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/technically-wrong-sexist-apps-biased-algorithms-and-other-threats-of-toxic-tech-sara-wachter-boettcher/11186625?ean=9780393356045&next=t&source=IndieBound&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sarawb.com%2F" rel="nofollow">https://bookshop.org/p/books/technically-wrong-sexist-apps-biased-algorithms-and-other-threats-of-toxic-tech-sara-wachter-boettcher/11186625?ean=9780393356045&amp;next=t&amp;source=IndieBound&amp;ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sarawb.com%2F</a> <br>
Content Everywhere: <a href="https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/content-everywhere/" rel="nofollow">https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/content-everywhere/</a> </p>]]>
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  <title>Design systems and ADHD with Brad Frost</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep5-brad-frost</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2025 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/021cfb56-c6f6-4608-9629-4f9167a69513.mp3" length="117376745" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>Is ADHD a barrier to working on design systems, or is it actually a superpower? In this episode, I talk to Brad Frost, creator, web designer, teacher, speaker and writer about his recent experience of being diagnosed with ADHD, and what the past few years have taught him about resilience and self-compassion.
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  <itunes:duration>59:39</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>Is ADHD a barrier to working on design systems, or is it actually a superpower? In this episode, I talk to Brad Frost, creator, web designer, teacher, speaker and writer about his recent experience of being diagnosed with ADHD, and what the past few years have taught him about resilience and self-compassion.
Episode links
https://bradfrost.com/ 
Brad’s blog post on ADHD: https://bradfrost.com/blog/post/adhd/ 
Brad on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/bradfrost.com 
Brad on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradfrost/ 
Design tokens course: https://designtokenscourse.com/ 
Atomic design certification course: https://atomicdesigncourse.com/ 
Brad’s newsletter: bradfrost.com/newsletter/ 
Wake up excited podcast: https://wakeupexcited.show/  
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  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Design systems, brad frost, inclusion, accessibility, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, adhd</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>Is ADHD a barrier to working on design systems, or is it actually a superpower? In this episode, I talk to Brad Frost, creator, web designer, teacher, speaker and writer about his recent experience of being diagnosed with ADHD, and what the past few years have taught him about resilience and self-compassion.</p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://bradfrost.com/" rel="nofollow">https://bradfrost.com/</a> <br>
Brad’s blog post on ADHD: <a href="https://bradfrost.com/blog/post/adhd/" rel="nofollow">https://bradfrost.com/blog/post/adhd/</a> <br>
Brad on Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/bradfrost.com" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/bradfrost.com</a> <br>
Brad on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradfrost/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradfrost/</a> <br>
Design tokens course: <a href="https://designtokenscourse.com/" rel="nofollow">https://designtokenscourse.com/</a> <br>
Atomic design certification course: <a href="https://atomicdesigncourse.com/" rel="nofollow">https://atomicdesigncourse.com/</a> <br>
Brad’s newsletter: bradfrost.com/newsletter/ <br>
Wake up excited podcast: <a href="https://wakeupexcited.show/" rel="nofollow">https://wakeupexcited.show/</a> </p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Is ADHD a barrier to working on design systems, or is it actually a superpower? In this episode, I talk to Brad Frost, creator, web designer, teacher, speaker and writer about his recent experience of being diagnosed with ADHD, and what the past few years have taught him about resilience and self-compassion.</p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://bradfrost.com/" rel="nofollow">https://bradfrost.com/</a> <br>
Brad’s blog post on ADHD: <a href="https://bradfrost.com/blog/post/adhd/" rel="nofollow">https://bradfrost.com/blog/post/adhd/</a> <br>
Brad on Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/bradfrost.com" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/bradfrost.com</a> <br>
Brad on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradfrost/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradfrost/</a> <br>
Design tokens course: <a href="https://designtokenscourse.com/" rel="nofollow">https://designtokenscourse.com/</a> <br>
Atomic design certification course: <a href="https://atomicdesigncourse.com/" rel="nofollow">https://atomicdesigncourse.com/</a> <br>
Brad’s newsletter: bradfrost.com/newsletter/ <br>
Wake up excited podcast: <a href="https://wakeupexcited.show/" rel="nofollow">https://wakeupexcited.show/</a> </p>]]>
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  <title> Design systems and big life events with Amy Hupe (featuring special guest host Luke Murphy)</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep4-amy-hupe</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2025 00:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/9b801bfb-e3f1-46fc-8d09-88a83d1396b6.mp3" length="114518302" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>What role do design systems play in supporting people navigating big life events and transitions? In this special episode, I move into the guest seat to discuss a recent life change I’ve been through, with help from special guest host and friend of the pod, Luke Murphy.
</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>57:40</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>What role do design systems play in supporting people navigating big life events and transitions? In this special episode, I move into the guest seat to discuss a recent life change I’ve been through, with help from special guest host and friend of the pod, Luke Murphy.
amyhupe.co.uk 
Amy on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/amyhupe.bsky.social  
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  <itunes:keywords>disability, accessibility, AI, design systems,Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, inclusive design, </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>What role do design systems play in supporting people navigating big life events and transitions? In this special episode, I move into the guest seat to discuss a recent life change I’ve been through, with help from special guest host and friend of the pod, Luke Murphy.</p>

<p>amyhupe.co.uk <br>
Amy on Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/amyhupe.bsky.social" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/amyhupe.bsky.social</a> </p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>What role do design systems play in supporting people navigating big life events and transitions? In this special episode, I move into the guest seat to discuss a recent life change I’ve been through, with help from special guest host and friend of the pod, Luke Murphy.</p>

<p>amyhupe.co.uk <br>
Amy on Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/amyhupe.bsky.social" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/amyhupe.bsky.social</a> </p>]]>
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<item>
  <title>Design systems and gender with Lou Downe</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep3-lou-downe</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2025 00:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/d21e818b-b458-488c-b658-58fcc7d69082.mp3" length="112287161" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>How do design systems fit into wider social and political systems when it comes to gender, and the inclusion (or exclusion) of trans people? How do they perpetuate exclusion, and what can those of us working on design systems do to mitigate it? I talk to Lou Downe, author of the best-selling book, Good Services, about their experience of trans-exclusion, and using service and systems design to advocate for equity.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>56:16</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>How do design systems fit into wider social and political systems when it comes to gender, and the inclusion (or exclusion) of trans people? How do they perpetuate exclusion, and what can those of us working on design systems do to mitigate it? 
I talk to Lou Downe, author of the best-selling book, Good Services, about their experience of trans-exclusion, and using service and systems design to advocate for equity.
Episode links
https://good.services/ 
Lou on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lou-downe-757a83b/  
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Design systems, lou downe, inclusion, accessibility, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>How do design systems fit into wider social and political systems when it comes to gender, and the inclusion (or exclusion) of trans people? How do they perpetuate exclusion, and what can those of us working on design systems do to mitigate it? <br>
I talk to Lou Downe, author of the best-selling book, Good Services, about their experience of trans-exclusion, and using service and systems design to advocate for equity.</p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://good.services/" rel="nofollow">https://good.services/</a> <br>
Lou on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lou-downe-757a83b/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lou-downe-757a83b/</a> </p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>How do design systems fit into wider social and political systems when it comes to gender, and the inclusion (or exclusion) of trans people? How do they perpetuate exclusion, and what can those of us working on design systems do to mitigate it? <br>
I talk to Lou Downe, author of the best-selling book, Good Services, about their experience of trans-exclusion, and using service and systems design to advocate for equity.</p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://good.services/" rel="nofollow">https://good.services/</a> <br>
Lou on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lou-downe-757a83b/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lou-downe-757a83b/</a> </p>]]>
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  <title>Design systems and accessibility with Léonie Watson</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep2-leonie-watson</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2025 00:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/c3376c9a-e1d0-498b-959e-2c9811cc5fb6.mp3" length="102460316" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>How can design systems help us to create more accessible user experiences? How can we win hearts and minds in the fight to create more equitable experiences for disabled people? Will AI help or hinder us in the process? In this episode I talk to accessibility specialist Léonie Watson, Founder and Director of Tetralogical, Chair of the W3C Board of Directors, and co-Chair of the W3C Web Applications Working Group.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>51:56</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>How can design systems help us to create more accessible user experiences? How can we win hearts and minds in the fight to create more equitable experiences for disabled people? Will AI help or hinder us in the process? In this episode I talk to accessibility specialist Léonie Watson, Founder and Director of Tetralogical, Chair of the W3C Board of Directors, and co-Chair of the W3C Web Applications Working Group.
Léonie shares her experience as a blind person, including how technology has created both barriers and opportunities.
Episode links
https://tink.uk/ 
Tetralogical blog: http://tetralogical.com/blog 
Léonie’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lwatson/ 
Léonie on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/tink.uk 
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  <itunes:keywords>disability, accessibility, AI, design systems,Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, inclusive design </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>How can design systems help us to create more accessible user experiences? How can we win hearts and minds in the fight to create more equitable experiences for disabled people? Will AI help or hinder us in the process? In this episode I talk to accessibility specialist Léonie Watson, Founder and Director of Tetralogical, Chair of the W3C Board of Directors, and co-Chair of the W3C Web Applications Working Group.</p>

<p>Léonie shares her experience as a blind person, including how technology has created both barriers and opportunities.</p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://tink.uk/" rel="nofollow">https://tink.uk/</a> <br>
Tetralogical blog: <a href="http://tetralogical.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://tetralogical.com/blog</a> <br>
Léonie’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lwatson/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lwatson/</a> <br>
Léonie on Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/tink.uk" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/tink.uk</a> </p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>How can design systems help us to create more accessible user experiences? How can we win hearts and minds in the fight to create more equitable experiences for disabled people? Will AI help or hinder us in the process? In this episode I talk to accessibility specialist Léonie Watson, Founder and Director of Tetralogical, Chair of the W3C Board of Directors, and co-Chair of the W3C Web Applications Working Group.</p>

<p>Léonie shares her experience as a blind person, including how technology has created both barriers and opportunities.</p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://tink.uk/" rel="nofollow">https://tink.uk/</a> <br>
Tetralogical blog: <a href="http://tetralogical.com/blog" rel="nofollow">http://tetralogical.com/blog</a> <br>
Léonie’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lwatson/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lwatson/</a> <br>
Léonie on Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/tink.uk" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/tink.uk</a> </p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
</item>
<item>
  <title>Design systems and activism with Geri Reid</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep1-geri-reid</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2025 00:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/3d91e809-2147-47de-878c-c46c90ba5c33.mp3" length="105537845" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>What does effective activism look like when it comes to design systems and inclusion? Why are so many of us missing the mark when making the case for prioritising accessibility, and what can we do about it? I talk to Geri Reid, accessibility specialist, to get her tricks of the trade. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>53:09</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/a/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/episodes/3/3d91e809-2147-47de-878c-c46c90ba5c33/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>What does effective activism look like when it comes to design systems and inclusion? Why are so many of us missing the mark when making the case for prioritising accessibility, and what can we do about it? I talk to Geri Reid, accessibility specialist, to get her tricks of the trade. 
Episode links
https://gerireid.com/ 
Geri’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerireid/ 
Geri on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/gerireid.com 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Design systems, geri reid, inclusion, accessibility, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>What does effective activism look like when it comes to design systems and inclusion? Why are so many of us missing the mark when making the case for prioritising accessibility, and what can we do about it? I talk to Geri Reid, accessibility specialist, to get her tricks of the trade. </p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://gerireid.com/" rel="nofollow">https://gerireid.com/</a> <br>
Geri’s Linkedin: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerireid/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerireid/</a> <br>
Geri on Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/gerireid.com" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/gerireid.com</a> </p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>What does effective activism look like when it comes to design systems and inclusion? Why are so many of us missing the mark when making the case for prioritising accessibility, and what can we do about it? I talk to Geri Reid, accessibility specialist, to get her tricks of the trade. </p>

<p>Episode links<br>
<a href="https://gerireid.com/" rel="nofollow">https://gerireid.com/</a> <br>
Geri’s Linkedin: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerireid/" rel="nofollow">https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerireid/</a> <br>
Geri on Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/gerireid.com" rel="nofollow">https://bsky.app/profile/gerireid.com</a> </p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
</item>
<item>
  <title>Applying systems thinking to our design with Sheryl Cababa</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep6-sheryl-cababa</link>
  <guid isPermaLink="false">28773355-6db9-44f1-9f4e-6a51d3d3fb6b</guid>
  <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2023 02:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/28773355-6db9-44f1-9f4e-6a51d3d3fb6b.mp3" length="91186468" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>To round off the series, I’m speaking to Sheryl Cababa, Chief Design Officer at Substantial, lecturer, and author of her, Closing the Loop: Systems thinking for designers.

In the episode, Sheryl and I talk about how our design work fits into the wider societal, economic and political systems around us and she shares tools and frameworks for making the invisible, visible.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>54:16</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/a/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/episodes/2/28773355-6db9-44f1-9f4e-6a51d3d3fb6b/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>To round off the series, I’m speaking to Sheryl Cababa, Chief Design Officer at Substantial, lecturer, and author of her, Closing the Loop: Systems thinking for designers.
In the episode, Sheryl and I talk about how our design work fits into the wider societal, economic and political systems around us and she shares tools and frameworks for making the invisible, visible.
Episode Links
Sheryl’s blog on Medium (https://medium.com/@SherylCababa)
Sheryl’s LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherylcababa/)
Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers, by Sheryl Cababa (https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/systems-thinking-for-designers/) (Listeners of Systems of Harm can get 15% off the purchase price with the code: cababa-soh) 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Design systems, Sheryl Cababa, discrimination, Inclusive design, UX design, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>To round off the series, I’m speaking to Sheryl Cababa, Chief Design Officer at Substantial, lecturer, and author of her, Closing the Loop: Systems thinking for designers.</p>

<p>In the episode, Sheryl and I talk about how our design work fits into the wider societal, economic and political systems around us and she shares tools and frameworks for making the invisible, visible.</p>

<p>Episode Links<br>
<a href="https://medium.com/@SherylCababa" rel="nofollow">Sheryl’s blog on Medium</a><br>
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherylcababa/" rel="nofollow">Sheryl’s LinkedIn</a><br>
<a href="https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/systems-thinking-for-designers/" rel="nofollow">Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers, by Sheryl Cababa</a> (Listeners of Systems of Harm can get 15% off the purchase price with the code: cababa-soh)</p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>To round off the series, I’m speaking to Sheryl Cababa, Chief Design Officer at Substantial, lecturer, and author of her, Closing the Loop: Systems thinking for designers.</p>

<p>In the episode, Sheryl and I talk about how our design work fits into the wider societal, economic and political systems around us and she shares tools and frameworks for making the invisible, visible.</p>

<p>Episode Links<br>
<a href="https://medium.com/@SherylCababa" rel="nofollow">Sheryl’s blog on Medium</a><br>
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherylcababa/" rel="nofollow">Sheryl’s LinkedIn</a><br>
<a href="https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/systems-thinking-for-designers/" rel="nofollow">Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers, by Sheryl Cababa</a> (Listeners of Systems of Harm can get 15% off the purchase price with the code: cababa-soh)</p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
</item>
<item>
  <title>Design systems and racism with Imran Afzal</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep5-imran-afzal</link>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2023 02:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/0db72922-501c-4d4f-8b68-c497e9361fb7.mp3" length="78671725" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>Imran Afzal is a Principal Designer working on the design systems team at Co-op digital. He’s written and spoken prolifically about his work on design systems, and his own experiences of racism and discrimination. 

In today’s episode, we explore the ways in which design systems can perpetuate or mitigate racism in our digital products and practices.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>46:49</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/a/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/episodes/0/0db72922-501c-4d4f-8b68-c497e9361fb7/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>Imran Afzal is a Principal Designer working on the design systems team at Co-op digital. He’s written and spoken prolifically about his work on design systems, and his own experiences of racism and discrimination. 
In today’s episode, we explore the ways in which design systems can perpetuate or mitigate racism in our digital products and practices.
Episode Links
https://www.imranafzal.com/ (https://www.imranafzal.com/)
Imran's Twitter  (https://twitter.com/avimran)
Imran’s blog on racism (https://www.ithoughtaboutthatalot.com/2022/when-my-son-asked-if-we-belong-here)
UX London (https://ti.to/clearleft/ux-london-2023)
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Design systems, Imran Afzal, racism, discrimination, Inclusive design, UX design, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>Imran Afzal is a Principal Designer working on the design systems team at Co-op digital. He’s written and spoken prolifically about his work on design systems, and his own experiences of racism and discrimination. </p>

<p>In today’s episode, we explore the ways in which design systems can perpetuate or mitigate racism in our digital products and practices.</p>

<p>Episode Links<br>
<a href="https://www.imranafzal.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.imranafzal.com/</a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/avimran" rel="nofollow">Imran&#39;s Twitter </a><br>
<a href="https://www.ithoughtaboutthatalot.com/2022/when-my-son-asked-if-we-belong-here" rel="nofollow">Imran’s blog on racism</a><br>
<a href="https://ti.to/clearleft/ux-london-2023" rel="nofollow">UX London</a></p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Imran Afzal is a Principal Designer working on the design systems team at Co-op digital. He’s written and spoken prolifically about his work on design systems, and his own experiences of racism and discrimination. </p>

<p>In today’s episode, we explore the ways in which design systems can perpetuate or mitigate racism in our digital products and practices.</p>

<p>Episode Links<br>
<a href="https://www.imranafzal.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.imranafzal.com/</a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/avimran" rel="nofollow">Imran&#39;s Twitter </a><br>
<a href="https://www.ithoughtaboutthatalot.com/2022/when-my-son-asked-if-we-belong-here" rel="nofollow">Imran’s blog on racism</a><br>
<a href="https://ti.to/clearleft/ux-london-2023" rel="nofollow">UX London</a></p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
</item>
<item>
  <title>Design systems and accessibility with Fred Warburton</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep4-fred-warburton</link>
  <guid isPermaLink="false">7a0fe4f6-d1ce-4391-adae-cdc7bff9a0d9</guid>
  <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 20:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/7a0fe4f6-d1ce-4391-adae-cdc7bff9a0d9.mp3" length="87677805" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>How can design systems help us to create more accessible digital products and services, and what are the limits to that? In this episode I talk to design systems manager, accessibility advocate, and good friend of mine, Fred Warburton.

Fred shares his experience with sight loss, and how that motivated him to learn about digital accessibility, and create meaningful change.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>52:11</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/a/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/episodes/7/7a0fe4f6-d1ce-4391-adae-cdc7bff9a0d9/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>How can design systems help us to create more accessible digital products and services, and what are the limits to that? In this episode I talk to design systems manager, accessibility advocate, and good friend of mine, Fred Warburton.
Fred shares his experience with sight loss, and how that motivated him to learn about digital accessibility, and create meaningful change.
Episode Links
Fred’s Twitter (https://twitter.com/FredWabz) 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Fred Warburton, sight loss, Design systems, , Inclusive design, UX design, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>How can design systems help us to create more accessible digital products and services, and what are the limits to that? In this episode I talk to design systems manager, accessibility advocate, and good friend of mine, Fred Warburton.</p>

<p>Fred shares his experience with sight loss, and how that motivated him to learn about digital accessibility, and create meaningful change.</p>

<p><strong>Episode Links</strong><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/FredWabz" rel="nofollow">Fred’s Twitter</a></p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>How can design systems help us to create more accessible digital products and services, and what are the limits to that? In this episode I talk to design systems manager, accessibility advocate, and good friend of mine, Fred Warburton.</p>

<p>Fred shares his experience with sight loss, and how that motivated him to learn about digital accessibility, and create meaningful change.</p>

<p><strong>Episode Links</strong><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/FredWabz" rel="nofollow">Fred’s Twitter</a></p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
</item>
<item>
  <title>Design systems and dyscalculia with Laura Parker</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep3-laura-parker</link>
  <guid isPermaLink="false">46b9d974-d6c9-4937-8cdc-d4f1290ca3f8</guid>
  <pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2023 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/46b9d974-d6c9-4937-8cdc-d4f1290ca3f8.mp3" length="92042134" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>Dyscalculia is a learning difference characterised by a persistent difficulty in understanding numbers. In this episode, Laura and I discuss her experiences with dyscalculia, and how design systems can help to create more inclusive digital products for people like her.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>47:56</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/a/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/episodes/4/46b9d974-d6c9-4937-8cdc-d4f1290ca3f8/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>Dyscalculia is a learning difference characterised by a persistent difficulty in understanding numbers. In this episode, Laura and I discuss her experiences with dyscalculia, and how design systems can help to create more inclusive digital products for people like her.
Episode Links
Laura’s blog (https://uxwriting.co.uk)
Laura’s Twitter (https://twitter.com/LauraParkerUX)
Accessible numbers project (https://accessiblenumbers.com/)
Dyscalculia poster (https://accessibility-manual.dwp.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/accessibility-posters)
Dyscalculia network (https://www.dyscalculianetwork.com)
Plain Numbers report (https://plainnumbers.org.uk/why-we-exist) 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Laura Parker, dyscalculia, Design systems, , Inclusive design, UX design, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>Dyscalculia is a learning difference characterised by a persistent difficulty in understanding numbers. In this episode, Laura and I discuss her experiences with dyscalculia, and how design systems can help to create more inclusive digital products for people like her.</p>

<p><strong>Episode Links</strong><br>
<a href="https://uxwriting.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Laura’s blog</a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/LauraParkerUX" rel="nofollow">Laura’s Twitter</a><br>
<a href="https://accessiblenumbers.com/" rel="nofollow">Accessible numbers project</a><br>
<a href="https://accessibility-manual.dwp.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/accessibility-posters" rel="nofollow">Dyscalculia poster</a><br>
<a href="https://www.dyscalculianetwork.com" rel="nofollow">Dyscalculia network</a><br>
<a href="https://plainnumbers.org.uk/why-we-exist" rel="nofollow">Plain Numbers report</a></p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Dyscalculia is a learning difference characterised by a persistent difficulty in understanding numbers. In this episode, Laura and I discuss her experiences with dyscalculia, and how design systems can help to create more inclusive digital products for people like her.</p>

<p><strong>Episode Links</strong><br>
<a href="https://uxwriting.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Laura’s blog</a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/LauraParkerUX" rel="nofollow">Laura’s Twitter</a><br>
<a href="https://accessiblenumbers.com/" rel="nofollow">Accessible numbers project</a><br>
<a href="https://accessibility-manual.dwp.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/accessibility-posters" rel="nofollow">Dyscalculia poster</a><br>
<a href="https://www.dyscalculianetwork.com" rel="nofollow">Dyscalculia network</a><br>
<a href="https://plainnumbers.org.uk/why-we-exist" rel="nofollow">Plain Numbers report</a></p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
</item>
<item>
  <title>Design systems and trans exclusion with Luke Murphy</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep2-luke-murphy</link>
  <guid isPermaLink="false">584ea0ed-3cf6-43ac-8c76-0a5d6b7d8d40</guid>
  <pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 20:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/584ea0ed-3cf6-43ac-8c76-0a5d6b7d8d40.mp3" length="90802468" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>How do design systems contribute to trans-exclusion in our digital, social and political systems? What can we do to create more trans-exclusive experiences? In this episode, I talk to Luke Murphy, a design advocate and a good friend of mine who identifies as non-binary, to explore this issue.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>54:02</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/a/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/episodes/5/584ea0ed-3cf6-43ac-8c76-0a5d6b7d8d40/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>How do design systems contribute to trans-exclusion in our digital, social and political systems? What can we do to create more trans-exclusive experiences? In this episode, I talk to Luke Murphy, a design advocate and a good friend of mine who identifies as non-binary, to explore this issue.
Episode links
https://www.lurkmoophy.com/  (https://www.lurkmoophy.com/)
Luke’s Twitter (https://twitter.com/lurkmoophy)
Zeroheight blog (https://zeroheight.com/blog/) 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Luke Murphy, Design systems, , Inclusive design, UX design, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>How do design systems contribute to trans-exclusion in our digital, social and political systems? What can we do to create more trans-exclusive experiences? In this episode, I talk to Luke Murphy, a design advocate and a good friend of mine who identifies as non-binary, to explore this issue.</p>

<p><strong>Episode links</strong><br>
<a href="https://www.lurkmoophy.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.lurkmoophy.com/ </a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/lurkmoophy" rel="nofollow">Luke’s Twitter</a><br>
<a href="https://zeroheight.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">Zeroheight blog</a></p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>How do design systems contribute to trans-exclusion in our digital, social and political systems? What can we do to create more trans-exclusive experiences? In this episode, I talk to Luke Murphy, a design advocate and a good friend of mine who identifies as non-binary, to explore this issue.</p>

<p><strong>Episode links</strong><br>
<a href="https://www.lurkmoophy.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.lurkmoophy.com/ </a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/lurkmoophy" rel="nofollow">Luke’s Twitter</a><br>
<a href="https://zeroheight.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">Zeroheight blog</a></p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
</item>
<item>
  <title>Design systems and cognitive bias with David Dylan Thomas</title>
  <link>https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep1-david-dylan-thomas</link>
  <guid isPermaLink="false">159fb744-039e-4430-88a8-5624ad89f05a</guid>
  <pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2023 15:30:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Amy Hupe</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/159fb744-039e-4430-88a8-5624ad89f05a.mp3" length="95990177" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:author>Amy Hupe</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>How does cognitive bias affect the way we design and make digital products, and the way people experience them? </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>49:59</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/a/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/episodes/1/159fb744-039e-4430-88a8-5624ad89f05a/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>How does cognitive bias affect the way we design and make digital products, and the way people experience them? To kick off the series, I’m talking to author, speaker and filmmaker David Dylan Thomas, to explore these questions.
Episode links
https://daviddylanthomas.com/  (https://daviddylanthomas.com/)
David’s Twitter (https://twitter.com/movie_pundit)
UX London (https://ti.to/clearleft/ux-london-2023)
Design for Cognitive Bias, by David Dylan Thomas (https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-cognitive-bias)
The Cognitive Bias Podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-cognitive-bias-podcast/id1197648130)
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Systems of Harm, Amy Hupe, Design systems, David Dylan Thomas, Inclusive design, UX design, Web development, UI design, Systems thinking, Technology, Web design, </itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>How does cognitive bias affect the way we design and make digital products, and the way people experience them? To kick off the series, I’m talking to author, speaker and filmmaker David Dylan Thomas, to explore these questions.</p>

<p><strong>Episode links</strong><br>
<a href="https://daviddylanthomas.com/" rel="nofollow">https://daviddylanthomas.com/ </a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/movie_pundit" rel="nofollow">David’s Twitter</a><br>
<a href="https://ti.to/clearleft/ux-london-2023" rel="nofollow">UX London</a><br>
<a href="https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-cognitive-bias" rel="nofollow">Design for Cognitive Bias, by David Dylan Thomas</a><br>
<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-cognitive-bias-podcast/id1197648130" rel="nofollow">The Cognitive Bias Podcast</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>How does cognitive bias affect the way we design and make digital products, and the way people experience them? To kick off the series, I’m talking to author, speaker and filmmaker David Dylan Thomas, to explore these questions.</p>

<p><strong>Episode links</strong><br>
<a href="https://daviddylanthomas.com/" rel="nofollow">https://daviddylanthomas.com/ </a><br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/movie_pundit" rel="nofollow">David’s Twitter</a><br>
<a href="https://ti.to/clearleft/ux-london-2023" rel="nofollow">UX London</a><br>
<a href="https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-cognitive-bias" rel="nofollow">Design for Cognitive Bias, by David Dylan Thomas</a><br>
<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-cognitive-bias-podcast/id1197648130" rel="nofollow">The Cognitive Bias Podcast</a></p>]]>
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