{"version":"https://jsonfeed.org/version/1","title":"Systems of Harm","home_page_url":"https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm","feed_url":"https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/json","description":"Design systems are the systems of tools, processes and practices that we use to create digital products, like websites and applications. But can design systems play a role in perpetuating systemic harm? Can they do anything to mitigate it?\r\n\r\nIn this series, design systems consultant and podcast host Amy Hupe interviews guests about their experiences of design systems, systemic exclusion, and how we can work to design more inclusive experiences.\r\n","_fireside":{"subtitle":"Design systems are the systems of tools, processes and practices that we use to create digital products, like websites and applications. But can design systems play a role in perpetuating systemic harm? Can they do anything to mitigate it?","pubdate":"2023-06-20T02:00:00.000+01:00","explicit":true,"owner":"Amy Hupe","image":"https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/a/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/cover.jpg?v=1"},"items":[{"id":"28773355-6db9-44f1-9f4e-6a51d3d3fb6b","title":"Applying systems thinking to our design with Sheryl Cababa","url":"https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep6-sheryl-cababa","content_text":"To round off the series, I’m speaking to Sheryl Cababa, Chief Design Officer at Substantial, lecturer, and author of her, Closing the Loop: Systems thinking for designers.\n\nIn the episode, Sheryl and I talk about how our design work fits into the wider societal, economic and political systems around us and she shares tools and frameworks for making the invisible, visible.\n\nEpisode Links\nSheryl’s blog on Medium\nSheryl’s LinkedIn\nClosing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers, by Sheryl Cababa (Listeners of Systems of Harm can get 15% off the purchase price with the code: cababa-soh)","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eTo round off the series, I’m speaking to Sheryl Cababa, Chief Design Officer at Substantial, lecturer, and author of her, Closing the Loop: Systems thinking for designers.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn the episode, Sheryl and I talk about how our design work fits into the wider societal, economic and political systems around us and she shares tools and frameworks for making the invisible, visible.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEpisode Links\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://medium.com/@SherylCababa\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eSheryl’s blog on Medium\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherylcababa/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eSheryl’s LinkedIn\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://rosenfeldmedia.com/books/systems-thinking-for-designers/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eClosing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers, by Sheryl Cababa\u003c/a\u003e (Listeners of Systems of Harm can get 15% off the purchase price with the code: cababa-soh)\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"To round off the series, I’m speaking to Sheryl Cababa, Chief Design Officer at Substantial, lecturer, and author of her, Closing the Loop: Systems thinking for designers.\r\n\r\nIn the episode, Sheryl and I talk about how our design work fits into the wider societal, economic and political systems around us and she shares tools and frameworks for making the invisible, visible.","date_published":"2023-06-20T02:00:00.000+01:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/28773355-6db9-44f1-9f4e-6a51d3d3fb6b.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":91186468,"duration_in_seconds":3256}]},{"id":"0db72922-501c-4d4f-8b68-c497e9361fb7","title":"Design systems and racism with Imran Afzal","url":"https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep5-imran-afzal","content_text":"Imran Afzal is a Principal Designer working on the design systems team at Co-op digital. He’s written and spoken prolifically about his work on design systems, and his own experiences of racism and discrimination. \n\nIn today’s episode, we explore the ways in which design systems can perpetuate or mitigate racism in our digital products and practices.\n\nEpisode Links\nhttps://www.imranafzal.com/\nImran's Twitter \nImran’s blog on racism\nUX London","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eImran Afzal is a Principal Designer working on the design systems team at Co-op digital. He’s written and spoken prolifically about his work on design systems, and his own experiences of racism and discrimination. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn today’s episode, we explore the ways in which design systems can perpetuate or mitigate racism in our digital products and practices.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eEpisode Links\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.imranafzal.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003ehttps://www.imranafzal.com/\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/avimran\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eImran\u0026#39;s Twitter \u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.ithoughtaboutthatalot.com/2022/when-my-son-asked-if-we-belong-here\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eImran’s blog on racism\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://ti.to/clearleft/ux-london-2023\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eUX London\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Imran Afzal is a Principal Designer working on the design systems team at Co-op digital. He’s written and spoken prolifically about his work on design systems, and his own experiences of racism and discrimination. \r\n\r\nIn today’s episode, we explore the ways in which design systems can perpetuate or mitigate racism in our digital products and practices.","date_published":"2023-06-13T02:00:00.000+01:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/0db72922-501c-4d4f-8b68-c497e9361fb7.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":78671725,"duration_in_seconds":2809}]},{"id":"7a0fe4f6-d1ce-4391-adae-cdc7bff9a0d9","title":"Design systems and accessibility with Fred Warburton","url":"https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep4-fred-warburton","content_text":"How can design systems help us to create more accessible digital products and services, and what are the limits to that? In this episode I talk to design systems manager, accessibility advocate, and good friend of mine, Fred Warburton.\n\nFred shares his experience with sight loss, and how that motivated him to learn about digital accessibility, and create meaningful change.\n\nEpisode Links\nFred’s Twitter","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eHow can design systems help us to create more accessible digital products and services, and what are the limits to that? In this episode I talk to design systems manager, accessibility advocate, and good friend of mine, Fred Warburton.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eFred shares his experience with sight loss, and how that motivated him to learn about digital accessibility, and create meaningful change.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eEpisode Links\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/FredWabz\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eFred’s Twitter\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"How can design systems help us to create more accessible digital products and services, and what are the limits to that? In this episode I talk to design systems manager, accessibility advocate, and good friend of mine, Fred Warburton.\r\n\r\nFred shares his experience with sight loss, and how that motivated him to learn about digital accessibility, and create meaningful change.","date_published":"2023-06-05T20:00:00.000+01:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/7a0fe4f6-d1ce-4391-adae-cdc7bff9a0d9.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":87677805,"duration_in_seconds":3131}]},{"id":"46b9d974-d6c9-4937-8cdc-d4f1290ca3f8","title":"Design systems and dyscalculia with Laura Parker","url":"https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep3-laura-parker","content_text":"Dyscalculia is a learning difference characterised by a persistent difficulty in understanding numbers. In this episode, Laura and I discuss her experiences with dyscalculia, and how design systems can help to create more inclusive digital products for people like her.\n\nEpisode Links\nLaura’s blog\nLaura’s Twitter\nAccessible numbers project\nDyscalculia poster\nDyscalculia network\nPlain Numbers report","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eDyscalculia is a learning difference characterised by a persistent difficulty in understanding numbers. In this episode, Laura and I discuss her experiences with dyscalculia, and how design systems can help to create more inclusive digital products for people like her.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eEpisode Links\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://uxwriting.co.uk\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eLaura’s blog\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/LauraParkerUX\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eLaura’s Twitter\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://accessiblenumbers.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eAccessible numbers project\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://accessibility-manual.dwp.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/accessibility-posters\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eDyscalculia poster\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.dyscalculianetwork.com\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eDyscalculia network\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://plainnumbers.org.uk/why-we-exist\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003ePlain Numbers report\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"Dyscalculia is a learning difference characterised by a persistent difficulty in understanding numbers. In this episode, Laura and I discuss her experiences with dyscalculia, and how design systems can help to create more inclusive digital products for people like her.","date_published":"2023-05-30T10:00:00.000+01:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/46b9d974-d6c9-4937-8cdc-d4f1290ca3f8.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":92042134,"duration_in_seconds":2876}]},{"id":"584ea0ed-3cf6-43ac-8c76-0a5d6b7d8d40","title":"Design systems and trans exclusion with Luke Murphy","url":"https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep2-luke-murphy","content_text":"How do design systems contribute to trans-exclusion in our digital, social and political systems? What can we do to create more trans-exclusive experiences? In this episode, I talk to Luke Murphy, a design advocate and a good friend of mine who identifies as non-binary, to explore this issue.\n\nEpisode links\nhttps://www.lurkmoophy.com/ \nLuke’s Twitter\nZeroheight blog","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eHow do design systems contribute to trans-exclusion in our digital, social and political systems? What can we do to create more trans-exclusive experiences? In this episode, I talk to Luke Murphy, a design advocate and a good friend of mine who identifies as non-binary, to explore this issue.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eEpisode links\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://www.lurkmoophy.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003ehttps://www.lurkmoophy.com/ \u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/lurkmoophy\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eLuke’s Twitter\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://zeroheight.com/blog/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eZeroheight blog\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"How do design systems contribute to trans-exclusion in our digital, social and political systems? What can we do to create more trans-exclusive experiences? In this episode, I talk to Luke Murphy, a design advocate and a good friend of mine who identifies as non-binary, to explore this issue.","date_published":"2023-05-22T20:00:00.000+01:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a61a5772-6cae-4e61-a2ca-498d251c080d/584ea0ed-3cf6-43ac-8c76-0a5d6b7d8d40.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":90802468,"duration_in_seconds":3242}]},{"id":"159fb744-039e-4430-88a8-5624ad89f05a","title":"Design systems and cognitive bias with David Dylan Thomas","url":"https://systems-of-harm.fireside.fm/ep1-david-dylan-thomas","content_text":"How does cognitive bias affect the way we design and make digital products, and the way people experience them? To kick off the series, I’m talking to author, speaker and filmmaker David Dylan Thomas, to explore these questions.\n\nEpisode links\nhttps://daviddylanthomas.com/ \nDavid’s Twitter\nUX London\nDesign for Cognitive Bias, by David Dylan Thomas\nThe Cognitive Bias Podcast","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eHow does cognitive bias affect the way we design and make digital products, and the way people experience them? To kick off the series, I’m talking to author, speaker and filmmaker David Dylan Thomas, to explore these questions.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eEpisode links\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://daviddylanthomas.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003ehttps://daviddylanthomas.com/ \u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/movie_pundit\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eDavid’s Twitter\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://ti.to/clearleft/ux-london-2023\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eUX London\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://abookapart.com/products/design-for-cognitive-bias\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eDesign for Cognitive Bias, by David Dylan Thomas\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\u003ca href=\"https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-cognitive-bias-podcast/id1197648130\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eThe Cognitive Bias Podcast\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"How does cognitive bias affect the way we design and make digital products, and the way people experience them? 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